Self-mastery

[Goldberg]

Well Rob, why am i not surprised by your response?

I actually give you some (what i percieve to be) solid practical advice, on how to look intimately into the nature of Buddhism, and looks from my perspective that it just goes right by you once again, totally un-noticed. It comes accross as if you don't need to know as you are already in the know, and infact you can describe Buddhism and all its meanings far better than any 17 years practicing Buddhists, and as if you know more than somebody who has read and studied over 100 texts on the topics, from both an Esoteric and extoteric perspective.
It has been brough up here before (and not by me), why is it that you are so close minded? I have attemted to share with you accurate teachings on a topic you appeared to be interested in.
Please share with me how your interpretation based upon the dictionary of self mastery is more accurate than my interpretation.
You have stated that we must get rid of the ego, well let me share a story with you from a great Buddhist teacher by the name of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche (im sure youv'e heard of him Rob). Whenever Chogyam was asked about the meaning of Vajrayana, he always replied "there is only ATI" (im sure you also already know what this means Rob, but i will explain for anybody else inrested or who is reading this thread). Basically what he was saying is - there is only the pure enlightened mind, there is only Spirit or Love, the non dual consciousness, no matter where you look, that is all there is, that is ultimate truth. The ego, samsara, maya - illusion, and duality, all of them do not need to be gotton rid of, as in actuality they don't exist. And through "Ati" we have access to the ultimate realization, of ones true self, to self mastery and actualization.

I would suggest once again Rob, actually taking the time to study, you can't get rid of the ego, you can transcend it momentarily, and taste the taste of one taste. When you truly understand what the ego is, you would also understand why you wouldn't want to get rid of it also, you need it to survive.
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[Goldberg]

Rob, you are partially correct in why we have wars. They are value projections of one side onto the other. And i have discussed before on here, that yes there are various levels of values, and everyone thinks there level or there values are the right values.
Yes we have common laws, and because of differeing values and structures of values there is wisdom in having certain laws, not denying that. But laws are also someone else's projected ethics and morals. Because of differing value structures, some will agree with these laws, some will not. Thats just how it is - its not that its wrong or right, its just how it is.
Yes, i am well aware of the meanings of positive and negative Rob, and once again you are only partially correct, we don't have have yes and no ions making up the atom do we, we have positve and negative ions. We also don't have yes and no emotions, we have positive and negative emotions, don't we.

I have also said before Rob, i know some will love me, some will hate me, for me to expect only one side, would be my foolishness, i don't expect that, i know i will challenged and supported, and from that, i will grow, thats perfectly fine with me.

Just because you have 75 years experience, doesn't make that whole 75 years of experience any more correct than somebody who may have had 40 years of experience - or does it?
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[Goldberg]

I think i have said this before.

But each person has moments of inner peace, and inner turmoil or war. No person has just inner peace, or just inner war, you have a balance of both.
Some believe that by getting into a relationship or getting married will finally mean peace, but we all know in our relationships the reality is we have both, we have moments of peace, oments of war.
When we have kids, does this now bring us just one side? No, we still have both - peace and War. And when we get together with relatives, and friends at functions, finally we will have peace. Nope, when the adults are sitting talking the kids are beating on each other, or vice versa. I know, when we go to work, finally we will have peace, nope, once again at work, in our business, we have moments of both peace and war. If we take a thousand corporations and make a city, do we now get just peace? or do we still within the city have both peace and war?
How far would you like me to go, ot to nations, the globe? at what point do you think we will not have war? Both peace and war are the opposite poles, you can't have one without the other, its a fantasy to think otherwise. And fanasies lead to depression nightmares. Both War and peace have evolved simultaneously throughout the ages, and they will continue to do so. The more we seek onesidedness, the more of the opposite we attract to break our addiction, its the law of polarity.
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[rob 2]

Goldie.

Reading through your above posts you are telling me who you are against who I am.
But you make it general to apply to all of us and In Its Own way it Might.

Not the issue of the right company to bring peace.
Your issue of Balance and Posirive, Negative comes in here.
Being compatable peace loving in it because I am yours and you are mine.
Both having the same direction...this is common in life to Some only.

Understanding Gandhi and what he called overcoming self or Self Denial is what you personally do not want.

Many people have achieved this is life.
Gandhi died because the opposites hated him for being in this world to not be a Dictator.

Goldie this is not my opinion and yes experience of years can be overshadowed by little children.
But others never learn and cannot be taught.

Righting one sided books will not create a free world.
Just the same never the twain shall meet.

[Goldberg]

Rob, this thread was about Self Mastery. Mahatma Ghandi, was not a master of his own life, and he was not a Buddhist.
In fact Ghandi is the perfect example of someone who tried to repress a part of himself to the world, and ended up having to express it out on his wife. Someone who has self mastery doesn't repress anything, they own it.
Ghandi through his addiction to peace attracted violence to break his addiction - law of polarity.
Ghandi did achieve some great things, however would i consider him to be a master of his own life - No, i wouldn't.

Im also not trying to compare me to you Rob, thats absolutely off the mark. I was trying to share with you, the actual meaning of self mastery, ego, and Buddhism.
You can choose to take it however you like, thjat totally up to you. But it certainly is not my intention, my only intention was to help you to expand your current awareness, on a subject i have noticed you have shown some interest in. Once again, its your choice, if you want to trust the words from a couple of websites you have come accross, then ok, thats fine. Or you could take the path i suggested above, which is the path i undertook, and you could actually come to some different realizations, or you may not. But until someone has taken the time to practice the art, learn about the art in all its various degrees and origins, then there is less to go on. By expanding your awareness on the subject, you have alot more to go on.
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[rob 2]

Goldie.

You are telling me we are on different sides of the fence.
Totally different directions in Self Mastery.
I smile at the fact I should test it oput to know what it can do.
I could say the same for you in the opposite direction but it is not going to happen.
Yes I have learnt a lot from you by taking your word for it.
We all interpret well it appears it cannot be avoided.
Even the application of a word is applied differentlyMany people claim self mastery are not in Self Denial but promoting self.
Buddhism has many off shoots.Like other groups do too !!!!!

If nothing can be nailed down anything goes.

[country_gal]

Coming in on this discussion of self mastery, I decided to look up the full meaning and I cannot disagree.
Since adopting No, 1, it's been the best thing I could have done for myself.

[rob 2]

[country_gal]

I can't see how you can draw those conclusions from what I posted. I don't want to be on side with Ghandi, the Dalai Lama or anyone else, you are not your own person if you have to copy others to that extent. Nobody is invincible. I'm not a warmonger because I can stand up for myself, it's called having some pride and dignity. Rolling over just to keep the peace, is for suckers. I tried that years ago and it's soul destroying.
You say, 'Inflate the mind is brat material', that depends on how you intend to inflate your mind, I see inflating the mind as extending your knowledge, striving to get confidence, nothing to do with being a brat.
A person can 'inflate the mind' and have humility at the same time. Seems to me you have the wrong idea of it all.

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[rob 2]